all documents of important nature such as, our kingdom ministry, boe letters, forms, or other materials will now be sent only by email or private message communications.
they will not be posted out here on the board.
if someone else wants to post them, be my guest.. .. we have no other choice in this matter, and sending out confidential documents is better when it is done privately.
Note: If you are sending the emails as cc: (carbon copy) please use bcc: (blind carbon copy) so that the email list does not get shared. I do not wish for my email to be shared as it could identify me and screw up my fade.
Thanks though very very much for sharing the info!
all documents of important nature such as, our kingdom ministry, boe letters, forms, or other materials will now be sent only by email or private message communications.
they will not be posted out here on the board.
if someone else wants to post them, be my guest.. .. we have no other choice in this matter, and sending out confidential documents is better when it is done privately.
PM Sent.
jw states: since the apostles made mistakes, it is okay for us to make mistakes as well".
is it the logical fallacy of "two wrongs make a right"?
the apostles were directed by god, the governing body is not.
Well put.
http://bettiandassociates.com/sexual-abuse-lawyers/28-million-awarded-to-jehovahs-witness-child-sexual-abuse-survivor-2/.
>RonWashington -
my wife ask me if im going to make up the assmebly, i reminder her that i in clean conscience can not go anymore,as soon as the word anymore came out the tears started flooding.
it hurts me to see her like this.
i talked to her calm trying to explain why i cant worship with doctrine that is so clearly wrong.
Unstopable - I feel your pain. I am in exactly the same situation. My wife and daughter just got back from a weekend long circut assembly. I would say throw her a bone and go to the hall once in a while (maybe once every 2 -3 months) That works for me. I know it SUCKS when they start crying like that, but they really can not help it. It is mind control plain and simple.
If it is any consolation a few years ago I cornered one of my best friends when he was "fading". Literally bible in hand I tried my best to get him back in the org. He did not argue with me but he did not back down either. Time went by (several years) I finally was able to process some of the things I learned. Once I got to a certain point where I was not afraid to look at sites like this then the fade started in earnest.
Love her. Try to understand the psycology of what she is going through. Make sure she understands that you are not abandoning God just the men who claim to represent him.
Good luck.
so the fds does not include the apostles.
what part of the gospels aren't food at the proper time?
or am i just mixed up on who the fds are..
To me the scripture reads that the master appoints a slave to feed his domestics while he is gone. That fits with the first century bible writers being part of the "slave". The WTBTS says that Jesus returned in 1914 and THEN appointed them to feed his domestics in his absence in 1919. Like another poster wrote, where did he go in 1919? Who fed his domestics between the first and 20th centuries? It is such a mess, they really don't have a clue. I told my wife all of this and she says "we may not understand until paradise" UggggggghhhhhhH!
When I mentioned that Jesus was going to elevate them above all his belongings on heaven and earth, in effect placing the 8 GB members in charge of the angels that did get a rise out of her. She said the they never said that. I will have to research that carefully, be sure I am correct and then show it to her. That actually may be a chink in the armor.
well things were actually pretty boring.
i mean really boring.
that's the price of fading i guess.
Data-Dog, thanks for the notes on the Circut Assembly. My wife and daughter are at a two day this weekend and I appreciate learning what tactics the WTBTS is using so I can do my best to neutralize the damage as much as possible. Also so I don't do anything for the next few weeks that reminds them not to listen to me. It is like walking a tightrope. Ugggggh.
@RayPublisher - Yes it is a live person not a computer voice.
I do respect the copyright as well. I have actually ordered two hard copies off of Amazon just so that Cynthia does get her share of the funds. I am not really pro pirate bay execept in cases like this when there is no other option. The brother that took the time to read these books into his recording equipment did a good job and it is a benefit to anyone that hears it. I have posted on this before and on that post I did make sure to encourage those who download to also buy a hard copy to help out Cynthia.
For me it is not because I am blind that I like the audio format, it is because I like to listen when I am in the car. For many of us who still have spouses that are "in" that may be the only time you can really focus on a book like ISOCF. Another added bonus is all you need to do is rename the file and you will never get accidentally "found out"
I had a book entitled "questions to ask JW's", trying to stay under the radar I put the dust cover of another book over that one. My wife found it. Now she does not trust any question I ask her. Better to stay waaaaaay under the radar if you are trying to get a loved one out.
@oppostate - Sorry about the wrong link. This link is for the audio of both Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom.
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7011688/RAYMOND.FRANZ.AUDIOBOOK.COLLECTION.(ENG).m4b.iPod
he served the congregation i used to attend in the early '80's.
he was a piece of work.
he started the service meeting with this gem:.
He served the congregation I used to attend in the early '80's. He was a piece of work.
He started the service meeting with this gem:
"this congregation is full of filth. The holy spirit is gone from this congregation"
you could have heard a pin drop. Then he proceeded to talk until 9:35 (back then the meeting should have concluded at 9:10) when he was done he just skipped the song and said "Let us pray". Was it just us or was he some kind of designated hitter for the WTS?
